Not only for them, but any other non-European videoconferencing software.
  • idriss@lemmy.ml
    11·
    2 days ago

    That’s one good place I want to see tax payer money going. Would be nice if a more governments join in and make big corpo irrelevant.

  • yumyumsmuncher@feddit.uk
    71·
    2 days ago

    So many self hosted or european choices for that and still they created a new one. Same thing with W 😒

        • rmuk@feddit.ukEnglish
          2·
          2 days ago

          The thing I find particularly annoying about W is that they could have just forked BlueSky and set up the first serious AtProtocol federation.

      • matlag@sh.itjust.works
        2·
        2 days ago

        W is a SWEDISH startup funded by private entities.

        It has absolutely nothing to do with France, and the only link you could make here is it’s owned at 25% by a media that received subsidies from the EU, like a lot of media do, and France is part of the EU.

        The startup has not been endorsed by any public entity at any level.

        This is completely irrelevant.

    • matlag@sh.itjust.works
      4·
      2 days ago

      France uses Tchap: a Matrix server, and this is to integrate a videoconf system, and it’s based on LiveKit. So they do use available solutions.

    • turboSnail@piefed.europe.pubEnglish
      11·
      20 hours ago

      Care to elaborate?
      I know many people who use Teams at work, and they aren’t complaining. Quite the opposite actually. Various announcements are no longer emails since they have been migrated to relevant Teams channels. This means that it’s way faster to scroll past announcements that are not particularly relevant to your work, and none of them clog up your inbox any more.

      The only real problem is CPU and RAM usage, but as long as your IT department is reasonably funded, that’s not a problem either.

  • racoon@lemmy.ml
    21·
    2 days ago

    Nota bene how the description omits the world “encryption”. Timeo Frenchmen et dona ferentes

  • idriss@lemmy.ml
    17·
    2 days ago

    That’s one good place I want to see tax payer money going. Would be nice if a more governments join in and make big corpo irrelevant.

  • Auster@thebrainbin.org
    46·
    2 days ago

    Was worried they’d use it as a walled garden or a monitoring system. MIT license iirc allows forking, so at least if things go downhill, there are ways to mitigate it.

    • jaybone@lemmy.zipEnglish
      217·
      2 days ago

      What’s the license on Firefox and why is it so impossible to create a fork of that browser that doesn’t suck?

      • Shimitar@downonthestreet.euEnglish
        46·
        2 days ago

        Nothing to do with license.

        Firefox is a massive piece of code and following modern browser standards is so difficult that it’s a feat for big teams of developers and no small team seems to be able to pick the pace needed.

        • Ephera@lemmy.mlEnglish
          6·
          2 days ago

          Yeah, one of the largest pieces of software humanity has created, next to Google Chrome and the Linux kernel, which are all around 30 million lines of code.

          To give a frame of reference: With a team of 5 full-time devs at my dayjob, we can dish out a codebase of about 20 thousand lines over the course of two years.

          A browser might be somewhat quicker to build, because the requirements are relatively clear at this point and you can start implementing many standards in parallel. But yeah, it’s still just an insane amount of code.

      • Vincent@feddit.nl
        16·
        2 days ago

        Mozilla Public License, and there are a number of forks. A browser is a lot of work though.

    • smeenz@lemmy.nz
      5·
      1 day ago

      Folks, you won’t believe how yuge these discounts are. The biggliest discounts ever. Many people are saying they’ve never seen one as big as this. Also, new 500% tarrifs on anyone who doesn’t buy office365.

  • quick_snail@feddit.nl
    225·
    2 days ago

    France has horrible laws for encryption, so how much do you want to bet this thing doesn’t have e2ee.

    This is an Intel operation

    • matlag@sh.itjust.works
      11·
      2 days ago

      This tool is developed for France’s administration, not for the public. They host the servers. So I don’t think e2ee is indeed a requirement.

      • curious_dolphin@slrpnk.netEnglish
        4·
        2 days ago

        Shouldn’t it be the other way around? I’d expect e2ee to be a requirement for anything for the administration even if their laws are a little funky (rules for thee not for me, etc).

        • non_burglar@lemmy.world
          6·
          2 days ago
          1. A tool used by a state employer only wouldn’t need e2ee, since they hold all the servers.
          2. The French government has long been trying to make encryption in use by its citizens inspectable by them (the French government)
    • E_coli42@lemmy.world
      8·
      2 days ago

      Its FOSS (or I guess FLOSS for this case since they are French lol), meaning it doesn’t matter if the people creating the app are “good” or “bad” actors. A “good” actor can always create a fork or host their own instance.

    • evol@lemmy.todayEnglish
      4·
      2 days ago

      We like to think EU abandoning tech companies will create a new privacy FOSS ecosystem, when in reality they will likely just recreate their own Tech corps like China and US now that they have skin in the game

    • SaveTheTuaHawk@lemmy.caEnglish
      20·
      2 days ago

      Zoom has poor encryption. I have seen targeted ads a day after discussing very specific chemical reagents on zoom.

      • ayyy@sh.itjust.works
        61·
        2 days ago

        Yeah, it was definitely that and not all the web browsing and searching you and your colleague did before, during, and after the meeting, and the meeting notes you sent over gmail/microsoft mail. 🙄

      • quick_snail@feddit.nl
        19·
        2 days ago

        Zoom, Teams, Meet, and all the major providers do not have e2ee on by default. It’s a paid extra and almost nobody turns it on.

        Mega uses e2ee by default, and it cannot be turned off.

  • gaymer@aussie.zone
    1·
    1 day ago

    Not many companies will adapt these because MS teams is part of the package and all companies use word PowerPoint excel etc so they would not go with this when they get teams bundled in the package. France should create the whole office suite but most importantly it should be linked to something similar to active directory only then there will be mass adoption

    • Atropos@lemmy.world
      40·
      2 days ago

      I believe this was mostly about stability with 100+ meeting participants. This is second hand information though.

      • CactusEcho@piefed.socialEnglish
        18·
        2 days ago

        It’s licensed under Apache license:

        Apache License 2.0 A permissive license whose main conditions require preservation of copyright and license notices. Contributors provide an express grant of patent rights. Licensed works, modifications, and larger works may be distributed under different terms and without source code.

        Permissions Commercial use Modification Distribution Patent use Private use Limitations Trademark use Liability Warranty Conditions License and copyright notice State changes

        You know that they could just fork it, right? Saying that “it’s american”, just causes FUD for opensource.

    • HelloRoot@lemy.lolEnglish
      161·
      2 days ago

      Have you tried selfhosting it? For me, it was unusable, despite a beefy cloud server, even for just 2 people. And thats ignoring setup complexity.

      This one is optimized and kubernetes ready, which makes it super easy. Will try out soon.

      • jim3692@discuss.online
        7·
        2 days ago

        I was hosting it 5 years ago in a 2gb or 4gb VPS. We were able to run 1440p@120hz, if not higher, streams of our games. The server didn’t seem to care much about the load.

        • HelloRoot@lemy.lolEnglish
          5·
          3 hours ago

          That sounds amazing, because I tried it last year and it was like 12 fps with 2 people in a 720p videocall on a much beefier VPS.

  • elucubra@sopuli.xyz
    516·
    2 days ago

    Why didn’t they pour money on Jitsi?

    European, mature, FOSS…

    I fear grift is there somewhere.

    Also, French engineering has a habit of turning sound concepts into messy overengineerd but underbuilt results.

    • e8d79@discuss.tchncs.de
      481·
      2 days ago

      My guess would be that its because La Suite tries to replace all of Microsoft Office and having all the moving parts under your organisations control makes it easier to create a fully integrated office suite that offers the same UX throughout. Also Jitsi is owned by 8x8, a US company, which might have factored into the decision to create something new.

    • matlag@sh.itjust.works
      11·
      2 days ago

      The development is quite transparent. The team is looking at reduced development and more integration, so instead of “pouring money on a project”, they tried various solutions, and picked the “best one”.

      One criteria was an integration with their internal communication system: Tchap, essentially a Matrix server. The Matrix video call group didn’t cut it because it requires ElementX, and apparently there are unresolved issue there (no idea if it’s the app itself or due to customization of their Matrix server). They ended up with Visio, that is not a “new” solution: it’s based on LiveKit.

      https://github.com/tchapgouv/tchap-product/issues/259

    • gdaofb27584@lemmy.ml
      11·
      2 days ago

      Also, French engineering has a habit of turning sound concepts into messy overengineerd but underbuilt results

      Any example ?

      • elucubra@sopuli.xyz
        1·
        5 hours ago

        I’ve had several French cars, starting with an R4. That one was good, did exactly what it was designed to do. Next I had Talbot Horizon, an american (Chrysler) car with a very good diesel engine. Then I had a Peugeot 505, that had a good engine that was over complicated to the extreme, to the point that the oli overflow pipe litrelly crossed over from one side of the engine to the other, a truly brain dead design. Also the electrics in the back were literally routed under the rear light seals, so a seal failure meant that the electrical system shorted when it rained, the central locking and windows actuators had similar design flaws.

        I also had a Xara, which had several secondary ecus, which had to be progressively eliminated , until I sent the thing to the scrap yard, out of despair, despite having a sound body and engine.

        I’m in Europe, and I sometimes play the game of observing how many old cars (15+ years) I spot by nationality. Plenty of German, Spanish, Czech, Japanese and Korean. Very few Italian or French.

        My daily driver now is a 26 year old Skoda. I do all maintenance. In nearly 500.000 km, it has had zero major failures. A few minor things, starter (Bosch), two window regulators, a CV joint, and the usual, belts, clutch, brake pads… Consumables. I love how logical the engine bay is.