Urgh, I use it at least 300 times a day.
Same, and I have done so since the mid-90’s. It’s muscle memory at this point.
From the other thread it seems it’ll just be disabled by default, and enableable if wanted
Yeah, the title of this post seems to make that fairly clear. Still annoying though.
Maybe GNOME and Mozilla will consider a separate download/package where it is enabled by default, like gnome-desktop-middle-click-to-paste-enabled :D
never even knew that was a thing until a couple months ago, found it by accident. for 15-ish years I’ve just used a programmable mouse button for paste. still don’t know what i should do with that button now since middle click can paste.
Welcome to the future! … Or the past, not sure, but welcome.
Sure but youre probably aware that the vast majority of users dont, and for those users its a usability issue.
If you’re referring to touch screen users, then I don’t see how not having copy/pasting work when you plug in a mouse benefits them normally when they don’t have mice plugged in.
From the other thread it seems it’ll just be disabled by default, and enableable if wanted
I use this DAILY!
I do too but it’s usually unintentional
HOW? In what manner of mouse using are you accidently clicking the paste button?
Two finger scroll on my touchpad and another finger lightly presses it turning it into a middle click paste
That’s interesting. It never does that with my touchpad. I wish it did though.
What desktop environment?
Niri, I think Hyprland did also
Having a mouse button being over-sensitive or being used to another middle clic behavior like windows’ autoscroll toggle will tend to do that. Having a fullscreen software using MMB for something else like panning and failling to fully capture the mouse on the current screen in a multi-monitor setup also.
I like using this on my desktop, but it’s way too easy to trigger this by accident on a laptop, so I disable it on there.
I can live with this one, as long as they let us pick the function
The default paste action is pretty much the only thing preventing anyone from picking a different function for the button. That’s the the biggest reason for reversing the default behaviour.
As a newgen (derogatory), Id appreciate this. Middle click has always been auto-scroll to me and it takes a good search to figure out how to disable it on a new installation.
It’s one of those things you either use constantly or not at all. Activating the feature intentionally and having it fail is irritating, but activating it unintentionally because you didn’t know it was there could have serious consequences. I mean, I can even come up with cases where the wrong information being C&P’d accidentally into the wrong Web form could result in someone ending up dead.
Given the difference in stakes, “off by default” makes sense for this feature. I wouldn’t call it a dumpster fire, though—more like a relic of a more innocent time.
Well, I guess I’d have to use a fork of… oh, wait a second, I’ve already been alternating between Pale Moon, SeaMonkey, LibreWolf, and Firefox along with Tor and Links.
I just would be using less of Firefox and more of LibreWolf. And when Ladybird is ready, I’ll use that and dillo.
Or you could change the preference to enable the feature again.
Except Ladybird is ran by a right wing guy 😞
I’d suggest looking at Servo or old KHTML if you want a true alternative
I’m still looking forward to a new browser engine, separate from Chrome and Gecko. The politics can be debated later, but we need something to break the Google stranglehold. Let’s just be real about this, KHTML, Dillo, Links, and Goanna aren’t doing it. Opera & Vivaldi aren’t going to resurrect Presto.
So what then, other than Ladybird?
Waterfox?
Waterfox is Gecko. I still agree with the comment that mentions it is written by a right-winger. I rather root for Servo, especially because Ladybird is just another web engine written C. Memory safety vulnerabilities are the largest represented class of vulnerabilities discovered every year. Servo being fully written in Rust is a good thing for its security, as long as they also design a strong sandboxing/isolation strategy on all OS platforms.
You do you, that’s fine with me. Waterfox is still an option for other people to consider when they’re looking for an alternative. Like I would consider any new option that presents itself to me: I’m not married to my browser, at least in my eyes it is merely a tool :)
I tried Waterfox and didnt really get it? Why use it over for example Zen or Librewolf? It just seemed way to close to Firefox but like with a couple of preinstalled extensions. Idk, just wasn’t for me.
My browser(s) is just a tool. I use many browsers for different things. I wish there were good alternatives to the main browser engines (Gecko, Blink, WebKit), but I am fine with just using good derivative browsers like Librewolf, Mullvad, Cromite, etc.
servo?
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No, secondary clipboard Ctrl+v paste is a Windowsism
Yes, please. Lets dumb down userinterfaces more. I think the right mouse button should go away next, people can’t rightclick on touchscreens anyway, and many are confused by the extra button.
/s. so many /s. thank good it’s open source, if they ever remove the setting to turn it back on, i can just put the code back in.
Middle click paste sucks, I keep accideE&4nry!NAnY6Yfntally activating it in the middle of my documents which is bad when I have st6SFMzZkTR7!b^yuff like passwords copied and don’t notice, so good
KDE and Gnome already have toggles for it, though Gnome’s is in gnome-tweaks because Gnome hates exposed settings.
I’d support unifying behavior between toolkits and apps to provide users with a single point to set their preference, but I use this feature a hundred times a day. I’d also like it to remain the default; *nix desktops should have their own flavor instead of just copying Mac OS or Windows, and middle-click paste has been a part of that flavor for 40 years.
No hunter2 in there, this is fake.
Calling it a ‘dumpster fire’ is a bit dramatic.
I think I’d happily describe the multiple clipboard situation in Linux as a dumpster fire…
It’s awkwardly ‘solved’ by clipboard managers merging clipboards but it’s still wonky. Even for somebody who has been using Linux as a desktop for many years I occasionally find myself annoyed by it.
At this point I think I’d prefer “copy” to be an affirmative action rather than something that is done automatically. It makes pasting over existing text much easier.
Yeah the 2 clipboards are a mess.
I actually once locked me out of ALL my accounts because of them.
Middle click paste is extremely useful. Why would anyone want to disable it?
If you use a ThinkPad that has its track point designed around the assumption that middle click is used for scroll and only scroll, it will send you crazy. Thankfully KDE can disable it in most apps through a setting, but some apps keep on doing it anyway.
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Sounds like your doing passwords wrong.
You know that you shouldn’t use Discord, right?
My mouse’s middle click is easy to hit accidentally, and so I often paste stuff on accident, I just wish I could disable it. The “select to copy” doesn’t work for me either, since I often absentmindedly select things while I’m reading.
There are programs that use the middle mouse button but also support pasting from clipboard. I’ve been annoyed at work plenty of times when I’m trying to translate across a canvas but accidentally paste a random node of text. Bonus points if it contains some kind of password that was still in your clipboard. I don’t think it’s a good default.
As a software developer working closely with ux and designers I am forced to use tools such as figma and Miro. O can not tell how many times I have pasted sensitive shit into those work places because design software is mouse driven.
It can conflict with some programs. A lot of modern design programs make use of middle click drags to move around a canvas.
That caused problems for me and it took me days to realize it was middle click paste causing the issue of all these random segments of text appearing all over the canvas.
It was also annoying to disable. I was using Chromium at the time and you simply cannot disable it, even by disabling it in Gnome. I had to use Firefox exclusively when using that design program since at least Firefox has a hidden option to disable it.
As a software developer working closely with designers this has caused some nightmare scenarios
As someone who likes the middle-click to do mouse relative scrolling, I would be OK with this being configurable on a per-application level.
I don’t think it really makes sense as a “standard”. Blender will never use middle click as paste, for example.
Middle click to paste the X PRIMARY selection predates Blender.
Yes, I do know how old Blender is.
Right,
But just because it was a standard doesn’t mean it made sense as a standard. So when 99% of applications don’t care to adopt the standard, it really only makes sense to let the application space decide what to do with middle click and to fall back on the user’s system configuration if it’s unspecified (which can still be paste if you want it to be imo)
If 99% of applications that run on *nix desktops didn’t want to accept middle-click to paste text where that’s an operation that makes sense, I would agree with you. I do not believe that to be the case.
On the one hand, I’m all for having it configurable per app. But there should also be a global default, so that one doesn’t need to set it for each program. The current proposal sounds as if I would need to activate it once in the compositor (Gnome) and then separately in Firefox. It should probably be centrally handled by the compositor (not sure if this is possible, don’t know how primary selection works on Wayland).
Didn’t know if it was possible for open source to disappoint me, but here we are. Instead of removing it entirely make it an option so the people can decide.
That’s exactly what’s happening.
