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petsoi@discuss.tchncs.de to Linux@lemmy.ml ·
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RustDesk: I Found This Open-Source TeamViewer Alternative Impressive!

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RustDesk: I Found This Open-Source TeamViewer Alternative Impressive!

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petsoi@discuss.tchncs.de to Linux@lemmy.ml ·
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RustDesk is a fantastic secure remote desktop tool. Let's take it for a spin!

Please have a look at the warnings in the comments:

https://discuss.tchncs.de/post/21632052/12893621

https://discuss.tchncs.de/post/21632052/12897257

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  • angel@sopuli.xyz
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    Rustdesk looks good on the outside, but if you look inside, it has a really bad codebase and has done some sketchy stuff in the past.

    Last year, it installed custom root certificates as trusted on windows, which is a huge security risk: https://github.com/rustdesk/rustdesk/discussions/6444

    On linux systems, it forced its own autostart with no option to disable this behavior: https://github.com/rustdesk/rustdesk/issues/4863

    In the past, when it didn’t have Wayland support yet, it edited your GDM config and just disabled wayland: https://github.com/rustdesk/rustdesk/blob/1.1.9/src/platform/linux.rs#L411-L422

    Furthermore, the code quality is really bad. 90% of the linux platform-dependant code is just executing shell commands and parsing their output, while the same could be achieved in a safe way with proper rust builtins: https://github.com/rustdesk/rustdesk/blob/master/src/platform/linux.rs

    While I agree that Rustdesk works pretty flawlessly, the codebase and the behavior of the developers made me distrust the software and I don’t recommend using it.

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      Really sad about this, because Rust Desk has been the absolute best remote access tool I’ve ever used in the IT world, and that includes many different professional tools like Ninja& Teamviewer.

      It’s so clean, easy to install and run, fast and low latency, handles multi-monitors great, runs on mobile, Linux, Windows, etc.

      Such a shame that it is mired in controversy.

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      @petsoi@discuss.tchncs.de you might want to add that warning to the post.

      They also tried to submit the app to Flathub, but had way too broad permissions with no explanation why. “Users expect filesystem access” etc. In the end it was rejected and they publish a .flatpak file themselves.

      https://github.com/flathub/flathub/pull/5233

      The other points are far worse though.

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      To add on:

      • There is no transparency about who is behind it. It just a Github account called “Rustdesk.” It could be a real company in Singapore or it could be some guy in China as people have speculated.

      • The Rustdesk software needs way more permissions than necessary. This became evident with the flatpak as they did sandbox escapes which prevented them from being on flathub

      • The Rustdesk distribution is entirely centralize release server run by Rustdesk. They could easily push out malware to lots of devices.

      • They have done some sketchy things in the past. One of the things they did was quietly switch Linux desktops back to X11.

      • The Rustdesk system is not terribly resistant to brute forcing. The weak password means they someone could try every combination.

      • Rustdesk docker deployment docker compose exposes all ports on the host. This is minor but it could lead to a sandbox excape.

      • Rustdesk servers keep getting hosted in countries that have freedom problems such as China and Russia.

      • bluetoque@lemmy.ca
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        Wow, I’m wondering how anyone would trust this software. It literally exposes your desktop. To me that requires top-tier trust level, i.e. nothing sketchy at all.

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          We need an alternative

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        could be some guy in China

        I don’t see how that’s a problem, it’s not like it’s by a Chinese run company or like the Chinese government is spying on you; in the case you described it’d just be a rando with a hobby/vision.

        The fact that it keeps getting hosted in countries that have freedom problems, such as China and Russia, does concern me, though.

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      Okayyyy… thats not great. I just read one of the threads and thats scary.

      The person(s?) maintaining this seems to be VERY BAD at communicating. They did fix the auto start problem but did not at all discuss this from what I see. Thats not great.

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      Wow that’s so sketchy.

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      Wth is that, that is the most anti-idiomatic code I have ever seen

      https://github.com/rustdesk/rustdesk/blob/master/src%2Fplatform%2Flinux.rs#L176

      pub fn get_cursor() -> ResultType<Option<u64>> {
          let mut res = None;
          DISPLAY.with(|conn| {
              if let Ok(d) = conn.try_borrow_mut() {
                  if !d.is_null() {
                      unsafe {
                          let img = XFixesGetCursorImage(*d);
                          if !img.is_null() {
                              res = Some((*img).cursor_serial as u64);
                              XFree(img as _);
                          }
                      }
                  }
              }
          });
          Ok(res)
      }
      

      I’m not an expert but this seems wrong.

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        Yep, I’m not a Rust expert either, but this is pretty cursed. The comments on this post have some more examples of bad rustdesk code: https://lobste.rs/s/njfvjb/rustdesk_with_tailscale_on_arch_linux

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    I have setup a rustdesk server with docker, it was surprisingly easy to get started. It was for a friend who is managing the IT services of a small factory, the completely switched from TeamViewer and they are satisfied. More importantly their users, who are worse than your average windows user, found the transition relatively painless.

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    I self-host my own rustdesk server and it’s awesome. It just works flawlessly.

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    Yeah it’s pretty awesome. My only gripe with it is the fact that it is super annoying when you want to send a client with your self-hosted urls to a customer.

    You can either awkardly add it to the filename or you need to fork the client and build it yourself. Kind of sucks that the easier custom client function is stuck behind their subscription.

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    Itsfoss is blogspam and often have many mistakes and wrong info. People should really stop posting links from them.

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      Itsfoss is indeed written by ChatGPT I think

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    Wasn’t there some controversy about this that it wasn’t entirely open-source?

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      they have a pro server with more features that’s closed source and paid

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        deleted by creator

        • Kazumara@discuss.tchncs.de
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          The server is used for hole punching, to open up a P2P connection thorugh NATs and Firewalls. If it doesn’t work the server also relays the traffic between the clients.

          Getting an end to end connection through todays internet is unfortunately not easy for an average user.

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    DO NOT USE THIS

    This is a massive security risk and they have had so much controversy. They also routinely delete Github issues and discussions that question them. To top it off they are likely Chinese run.

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      Is there a good, free, cross platform alternative?

      • refalo@programming.dev
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        depends on your definition of good, and free

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          This comment is helpful

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        HopToDesk. https://hoptodesk.com

        It’s a fork of RustDesk.

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          How do they improve on security and privacy ?

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            That’s the neat part; they don’t!

    • refalo@programming.dev
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      Source:

      • Possibly linux@lemmy.zip
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        Just lookup “Rustdesk controversy”

        • refalo@programming.dev
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          The burden of proof lies upon the person making empirically unfalsifiable claims.

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            This. No matter how many downvotes you get for it. This all the way.

          • Possibly linux@lemmy.zip
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            https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=39256493

            https://forum.tuxdigital.com/t/any-users-of-rustdesk-watch-out-for-unsafe-defaults/5432/2

            https://www.reddit.com/r/selfhosted/comments/14kjvkg/community_consensus_on_rustdesk_with_all_the/

            https://lemmy.ml/post/12462223

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            it took you as long to find that link as it would have to look up the thing they gave you. this is not kindergarten, nobody owes you you their time. you are expected to be able to find and evaluate the validity of information yourself.

            • Eyck_of_denesle@lemmy.zip
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              I think you should click the link above

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                i can see what it points to. you can’t claim the statement is unfalsifiable just because you didn’t see the issues before removal. like, this is not proof-of-god tier stuff.

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              nope I had it bookmarked

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      China is good though? At least that ensures they aren’t a CIA operation.

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        China bans encryption and doesn’t allow you to use anything to thwart surveillance. I can’t say I want that in a remote access tool.

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          China bans encryption

          Most confidently wrong statement I have read all year.

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            Wait until people find out america bans certain cryptographic things to help them out.

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              As an american, the amount of people who refuse to accept that American Propaganda exists is staggering. I had an immediate reaction to seeing “China is good though” and I have no way of knowing if it’s justified because I’ve been my told my entire life that China is an evil shithole by American propaganda.

              To take it a step further and say “America doesn’t have your best interest at heart” is deeply unsettling to the vast majority of Americans who blindly hand away their freedoms in the name of Freedom. Wait until people find out that our country is just like all the ones we’re taught to hate

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