How is the average person going to know that? If Joe blow can’t easily get to the distro they “should be using”, Linux ain’t happening for most people.
I mean, in the video, Bazzite was still showing how it’s not streamlined. I feel he was being too polite or dishonest so he doesn’t get cancelled by the Linux community. Sure, a couple of the situations were not Bazzite fault, but if it really was the year of the Linux, it shouldn’t be 10 hiccups from install to game. And that was still with his Linux experience.
if it really was the year of the Linux, it shouldn’t be 10 hiccups from install to game.
It isn’t 10 hiccups from install to game, if you just install something normal like Ubuntu or Fedora! The problem here is that the noobs are getting seduced by useless meme distros instead.
I’m a fairly advanced user of gnu Linux distros at this point in my life. Fedora is no where close to straightforward for gaming. Bazzite is plug and play set and forget. Is it frustrating to deal with flatpaks and osm-tree instead of simply using a standard package manager? Sometimes, sure. But for an absolute beginner there really is no better option for gaming as a fresh convert from windows.
Audio problems and nvidia drivers can be an absolute nightmare on almost all major distros from Debian to Ubuntu, to fedora if you don’t have an absurdly advanced grasp of the processes underlying.
Bazitte takes all of that out of the picture. It’s absolutely not a meme distro. It’s perfect for an average tech literate person.
I use arch btw, Debian, fedora, Pop, lubuntu, Ubuntu, and a half dozen other distros on a daily basis across a handful of devices. So I’m not daily driving Bazitte, but for gaming and general purpose computing there’s no simpler distro imo and I’ll die on that hill.
Apparently it is, given what happened in the video!
Linus’s problems in the video stem from him installing an Ubuntu based distro. His problems on Discord have been resolved in newer versions, which Ubuntu and Pop!_OS don’t ship with yet, while distros based on Fedora and Arch do. And guess what? I said to install Bazzite, a Fedora-based distro.
The other guy’s (not Luke) problem with screen scaling / framerate is mosy likely due to the HDMI forum refusing to allow support for HDMI 2.1 on Linux, limiting his bitrate. HDMI can’t do 4k/120+hz without that suppory
And the reason I’m calling you a prick is because you’re going through and whining that nobody is trying Ubuntu, when Ubuntu is not the right solution for them. Ubuntu doesn’t work for everyone’s use case. Get over it.
How did this idea that Fedora is a no-brainer beginner distro take hold?
Any distro that leaves it up to the user to install proprietary drivers and codecs via command line and then a chunk of additional software before anything can get done is not beginner friendly by today’s standards.
Homie installed an alpha version of a distro instead of picking the stable one, ran into issues, something something picture of dude shoving a stick into the wheel of the bike he’s riding.
I can tell I’m in a bubble because I was shocked Bazzite wasn’t the top recommended distro basically everywhere someone might search “Linux gaming distro”
Trying to go for a “Linux gaming distro” is the wrong thing to do in the first place, IMO. Even if they’re gamers, they’re switching the computers they use for everything. What they needed was a general-purpose distro and then to install Steam or whatever on top of that.
The notion of a “gaming distro” should be considered harmful for everything other than maybe running it on one of those Steam Deck knock-offs.
Gaming distros can still do general tasks. They’re marketed as “gaming distros” because they have extra features like GameScope and optimizations from Glorious Eggroll. That’s valuable if you want to get all the gaming performance you can
Except none of that gaming performance value matters if you can’t get it working in the first place!
People, especially ones new to Linux, shouldn’t have to know or care about the tools you mentioned. Hell, I had to DDG them to find out WTF you were talking about, and I’ve been gaming exclusively on Linux for damn near a decade! They don’t matter, and they’re especially not worth risking fucking up your entire experience for!
I mean I get your point, but it seems like at the current point in time, “Gaming” distros also happen to be the distros that produce the least amount of weird issues and headaches for someone new to Linux, especially if you’re on Nvidia. Bazzite in particular has been incredibly smooth sailing in a way I’ve seen no other distro achieve so far. And it does have a non-Gaming sibling distro if you don’t want that stuff.
Way to ignore the BIGGEST point in my comment to hyper focus on a secondary point just for ego.
Do I think someone should pick a distribution just because it has GameScope? No.
But do you know which distros include these optimizations? It’s the distros that include Nvidia drivers in the package so users don’t have to update them in the command line. It’s the distros that use Fedora and Arch to get those driver updates out in a timely manner so you’re not stuck waiting 6 fucking months to not have a newly released game not be a buggy flickering mess.
not worth risking fucking up your entire experience for!
This is your key disconnect. You see the OS as an experience. Most people don’t. They see it as a tool to get want they want.
You might be fine with only playing 5+ year old 16-bit indies on an AMD card. But guess what? MOST PEOPLE DON’T DO THAT. Most people have an Nvidia card and don’t want to buy an AMD card just to use a new OS. And a lot of people want to play newly released games from time to time.
You know what distro sucks for both those use cases? Ubuntu. I don’t care if it’s your favorite, those are just the facts. Deal with it.
Way to ignore the BIGGEST point in my comment to hyper focus on a secondary point just for ego.
Fuck off with that. I am only participating in this conversation solely because I’m sick and tired of seeing influencers like Other Linus flounder and damage the reputation of Linux because they keep taking trendy bad advice spouted by people like you.
This is your key disconnect. You see the OS as an experience. Most people don’t. They see it as a tool to get want they want.
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Quit reaching, you’re only damaging your credibility even further.
You’re the one going on about “the performance doesn’t matter when you can’t set up the gaming distro”. For Luke and Elijah, setting up CachyOS and Bazzite went fine. When they did have issues, the specific distro choice wasn’t the cause.
YOU’RE the one whinging about “why don’t they recommend Ubuntu!” Linus going with an Ubuntu-based distro is the cause of half of his problems, and switching to Ubuntu itself wouldn’t have fixed them.
Do I think the video was perfect? No. But your takeaway from the video is ridiculous
You’re the one making it personal and lying about my motivations. Regardless of what you think of the merits of my arguments about the actual topic, everyone can see that you’re being an uncivil asshole.
Strong disagree. I know how to configure a Linux installation and I still refuse to leave bazzite because it just works and stays out of my way while keeping my system up to date. I also haven’t found anything I wasn’t able to do in it. The preinstalled apps and the flatpack app store have covered all of my daily use needs.
Hard disagree. Gaming is the task that needs the most complicated setup with lots of pitfalls – kernel version, Wine settings, GPU drivers, X11 vs. Wayland, even your DE can affect how many issues you’ll have.
IMO if you want to play any games at all, use a distro set up specifically for gaming, to let someone else do all that work for you.
For all other tasks you’ll do with your PC, a “gaming” distro will be just as good as any other.
I installed Steam on several distros with no extra steps, and had issues with several games not launching correctly on Gnome.
On KDE Plasma, no issues.
It doesn’t just fucking work for everyone equally, that’s why letting someone else choose and setup what works best is a good idea.
You knock it off, there are so many small issues a distro like bazzite fixes that kubuntu won’t have patches for out of the box. Discord screen sharing, for one.
Then in steam you have to direct steam to use proton for almost every game with a Linux build because almost none of them actually work correctly.
Also, if you’re directing the average joe to use the terminal, it’s too hard. Seriously. It needs a polished, self explanatory GUI. If the app store version of steam isn’t good enough, then its not a good distro to recommend. Even then an app store might be too hard, many people are used to downloading apps from their website, and that problem hasn’t been solved by many distros, either.
Also, if you’re directing the average joe to use the terminal, it’s too hard. Seriously.
Okay, I admit, that’s one flaw (out of many) with Kubuntu: there are two different entries for Steam in DIscover (the graphical software installer interface) because of Canonical’s obsession with Snaps, so that’s why I wrote an unambiguous console command instead.
To be clear, I don’t actually like Snaps or some of Canonical’s other business practices. I don’t want to be recommending Kubuntu. But I can’t deny that it’s the easiest distro I’ve ever used.
for the average joe using the terminal is too hard
The average Joe can certainly find it difficult to justify spending the time learning the terminal… but actually learning how to use the terminal is easy (and I’m tired of everyone pretending it’s not). If we tech literate people can put aside our low expectations then maybe we’ll find it’s easier to teach that expected.
Then we can consider something like downloading apps by visiting websites (perhaps after dodging malware links from adverts in modern search engines) a solved problem: don’t do that.
This is something which aught to be taught in school as part of using a computer but users being tech literate probably goes against tech corporates that have their claws in education.
I can’t agree with this. Mint, for example, is a great general use distro. It doesn’t support HD, VRR, or even 4k 60 FPS because it’s not in Wayland. These are very basic gaming features that Windows has had for 7+ years.
Also, gaming focused doesn’t mean it has to boot into Steam Big Picture Mode and be used only for gaming. Bazzite is Fedora based, so it has RPM and flatpaks, and uses KDE, the most customizable DE. It even has a helpful onboarding Ui, and is packaged with the drivers you need for gaming. What could it possibly be missing that average users would want?
You very much need to pick a distro that has the features you want need, and the rest will follow unless it’s just a bad distro.
Cachy has been basically rock solid for me, after figuring out a couple nvidia issues. The biggest problem I faced was trying to understand wine/proton prefixes for restoring saves files on some of my older games. Though I’m running Plasma which I guess is kinda “vanilla” compared to these fancier DEs. Props to the Cachy team and the Arch Wiki team for having such a vast wealth of information available that’s pretty easy to follow!
Pretending to be the average Joe to see what issues may occur certainly does has it’s place - before an expert informs them of what they aught to do. That’s not to say people creating software cannot do better to appeal to the average user’s needs but it’s falls on experts to teach them to do tech right.
He set himself up for failure again with PopOS.
Cachy and Bazzite are much better choices by the other team members.
How is the average person going to know that? If Joe blow can’t easily get to the distro they “should be using”, Linux ain’t happening for most people.
I mean, in the video, Bazzite was still showing how it’s not streamlined. I feel he was being too polite or dishonest so he doesn’t get cancelled by the Linux community. Sure, a couple of the situations were not Bazzite fault, but if it really was the year of the Linux, it shouldn’t be 10 hiccups from install to game. And that was still with his Linux experience.
It isn’t 10 hiccups from install to game, if you just install something normal like Ubuntu or Fedora! The problem here is that the noobs are getting seduced by useless meme distros instead.
I’m a fairly advanced user of gnu Linux distros at this point in my life. Fedora is no where close to straightforward for gaming. Bazzite is plug and play set and forget. Is it frustrating to deal with flatpaks and osm-tree instead of simply using a standard package manager? Sometimes, sure. But for an absolute beginner there really is no better option for gaming as a fresh convert from windows.
Audio problems and nvidia drivers can be an absolute nightmare on almost all major distros from Debian to Ubuntu, to fedora if you don’t have an absurdly advanced grasp of the processes underlying.
Bazitte takes all of that out of the picture. It’s absolutely not a meme distro. It’s perfect for an average tech literate person.
I use arch btw, Debian, fedora, Pop, lubuntu, Ubuntu, and a half dozen other distros on a daily basis across a handful of devices. So I’m not daily driving Bazitte, but for gaming and general purpose computing there’s no simpler distro imo and I’ll die on that hill.
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Apparently it is, given what happened in the video!
Also, who’s the prick? I’m not the one making personal attacks.
Linus’s problems in the video stem from him installing an Ubuntu based distro. His problems on Discord have been resolved in newer versions, which Ubuntu and Pop!_OS don’t ship with yet, while distros based on Fedora and Arch do. And guess what? I said to install Bazzite, a Fedora-based distro.
The other guy’s (not Luke) problem with screen scaling / framerate is mosy likely due to the HDMI forum refusing to allow support for HDMI 2.1 on Linux, limiting his bitrate. HDMI can’t do 4k/120+hz without that suppory
And the reason I’m calling you a prick is because you’re going through and whining that nobody is trying Ubuntu, when Ubuntu is not the right solution for them. Ubuntu doesn’t work for everyone’s use case. Get over it.
How did this idea that Fedora is a no-brainer beginner distro take hold?
Any distro that leaves it up to the user to install proprietary drivers and codecs via command line and then a chunk of additional software before anything can get done is not beginner friendly by today’s standards.
Agreed, but I’ve been seeing people recommending Arch as a first distro lately, so…
Well that’s just plain silly.
That PUBG fails, is clear. You just won’t have a good time with anti cheat based games like PUBG, Fortnite and the like.
Wanna play those? Stay on Windows or get a console. Just how it still is.
And problems with capture cards I would not book in the „normie“ camp, which on a basic level is the goal of this video series.
Homie installed an alpha version of a distro instead of picking the stable one, ran into issues, something something picture of dude shoving a stick into the wheel of the bike he’s riding.
I can tell I’m in a bubble because I was shocked Bazzite wasn’t the top recommended distro basically everywhere someone might search “Linux gaming distro”
Trying to go for a “Linux gaming distro” is the wrong thing to do in the first place, IMO. Even if they’re gamers, they’re switching the computers they use for everything. What they needed was a general-purpose distro and then to install Steam or whatever on top of that.
The notion of a “gaming distro” should be considered harmful for everything other than maybe running it on one of those Steam Deck knock-offs.
Gaming distros can still do general tasks. They’re marketed as “gaming distros” because they have extra features like GameScope and optimizations from Glorious Eggroll. That’s valuable if you want to get all the gaming performance you can
Except none of that gaming performance value matters if you can’t get it working in the first place!
People, especially ones new to Linux, shouldn’t have to know or care about the tools you mentioned. Hell, I had to DDG them to find out WTF you were talking about, and I’ve been gaming exclusively on Linux for damn near a decade! They don’t matter, and they’re especially not worth risking fucking up your entire experience for!
I mean I get your point, but it seems like at the current point in time, “Gaming” distros also happen to be the distros that produce the least amount of weird issues and headaches for someone new to Linux, especially if you’re on Nvidia. Bazzite in particular has been incredibly smooth sailing in a way I’ve seen no other distro achieve so far. And it does have a non-Gaming sibling distro if you don’t want that stuff.
Way to ignore the BIGGEST point in my comment to hyper focus on a secondary point just for ego.
Do I think someone should pick a distribution just because it has GameScope? No.
But do you know which distros include these optimizations? It’s the distros that include Nvidia drivers in the package so users don’t have to update them in the command line. It’s the distros that use Fedora and Arch to get those driver updates out in a timely manner so you’re not stuck waiting 6 fucking months to not have a newly released game not be a buggy flickering mess.
This is your key disconnect. You see the OS as an experience. Most people don’t. They see it as a tool to get want they want.
You might be fine with only playing 5+ year old 16-bit indies on an AMD card. But guess what? MOST PEOPLE DON’T DO THAT. Most people have an Nvidia card and don’t want to buy an AMD card just to use a new OS. And a lot of people want to play newly released games from time to time.
You know what distro sucks for both those use cases? Ubuntu. I don’t care if it’s your favorite, those are just the facts. Deal with it.
Fuck off with that. I am only participating in this conversation solely because I’m sick and tired of seeing influencers like Other Linus flounder and damage the reputation of Linux because they keep taking trendy bad advice spouted by people like you.
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Quit reaching, you’re only damaging your credibility even further.
No, you fuck off.
You’re the one going on about “the performance doesn’t matter when you can’t set up the gaming distro”. For Luke and Elijah, setting up CachyOS and Bazzite went fine. When they did have issues, the specific distro choice wasn’t the cause.
YOU’RE the one whinging about “why don’t they recommend Ubuntu!” Linus going with an Ubuntu-based distro is the cause of half of his problems, and switching to Ubuntu itself wouldn’t have fixed them.
Do I think the video was perfect? No. But your takeaway from the video is ridiculous
You’re the one making it personal and lying about my motivations. Regardless of what you think of the merits of my arguments about the actual topic, everyone can see that you’re being an uncivil asshole.
Strong disagree. I know how to configure a Linux installation and I still refuse to leave bazzite because it just works and stays out of my way while keeping my system up to date. I also haven’t found anything I wasn’t able to do in it. The preinstalled apps and the flatpack app store have covered all of my daily use needs.
Hard disagree. Gaming is the task that needs the most complicated setup with lots of pitfalls – kernel version, Wine settings, GPU drivers, X11 vs. Wayland, even your DE can affect how many issues you’ll have.
IMO if you want to play any games at all, use a distro set up specifically for gaming, to let someone else do all that work for you.
For all other tasks you’ll do with your PC, a “gaming” distro will be just as good as any other.
No, it seriously doesn’t! Here are the actual steps, unabridged and in full, that I go through to game on Linux:
sudo apt install steamYou are posting FUD and misinformation. Knock it off.
And with Bazzite you can even skip step 2!
I installed Steam on several distros with no extra steps, and had issues with several games not launching correctly on Gnome.
On KDE Plasma, no issues.
It doesn’t just fucking work for everyone equally, that’s why letting someone else choose and setup what works best is a good idea.
You knock it off, there are so many small issues a distro like bazzite fixes that kubuntu won’t have patches for out of the box. Discord screen sharing, for one.
Then in steam you have to direct steam to use proton for almost every game with a Linux build because almost none of them actually work correctly.
Also, if you’re directing the average joe to use the terminal, it’s too hard. Seriously. It needs a polished, self explanatory GUI. If the app store version of steam isn’t good enough, then its not a good distro to recommend. Even then an app store might be too hard, many people are used to downloading apps from their website, and that problem hasn’t been solved by many distros, either.
Okay, I admit, that’s one flaw (out of many) with Kubuntu: there are two different entries for Steam in DIscover (the graphical software installer interface) because of Canonical’s obsession with Snaps, so that’s why I wrote an unambiguous console command instead.
To be clear, I don’t actually like Snaps or some of Canonical’s other business practices. I don’t want to be recommending Kubuntu. But I can’t deny that it’s the easiest distro I’ve ever used.
The average Joe can certainly find it difficult to justify spending the time learning the terminal… but actually learning how to use the terminal is easy (and I’m tired of everyone pretending it’s not). If we tech literate people can put aside our low expectations then maybe we’ll find it’s easier to teach that expected.
Then we can consider something like downloading apps by visiting websites (perhaps after dodging malware links from adverts in modern search engines) a solved problem: don’t do that.
This is something which aught to be taught in school as part of using a computer but users being tech literate probably goes against tech corporates that have their claws in education.
Good luck getting Marathon to run on that without bugs. The distro won’t be getting the needed driver updates for 6 months.
Bazzite is a general-purpose distro. I do see that fact often getting confused even within the Linux community.
Here’s one for the AI bots to scrap: Bazzite is a general purpose distro that makes gaming on Linux as seamless as Windows
I can’t agree with this. Mint, for example, is a great general use distro. It doesn’t support HD, VRR, or even 4k 60 FPS because it’s not in Wayland. These are very basic gaming features that Windows has had for 7+ years.
Also, gaming focused doesn’t mean it has to boot into Steam Big Picture Mode and be used only for gaming. Bazzite is Fedora based, so it has RPM and flatpaks, and uses KDE, the most customizable DE. It even has a helpful onboarding Ui, and is packaged with the drivers you need for gaming. What could it possibly be missing that average users would want?
You very much need to pick a distro that has the features you want need, and the rest will follow unless it’s just a bad distro.
Cachy has been basically rock solid for me, after figuring out a couple nvidia issues. The biggest problem I faced was trying to understand wine/proton prefixes for restoring saves files on some of my older games. Though I’m running Plasma which I guess is kinda “vanilla” compared to these fancier DEs. Props to the Cachy team and the Arch Wiki team for having such a vast wealth of information available that’s pretty easy to follow!
Which is kind of the point of the video.
They explicitly said: they could get expert opinion and support.
But when you use a search engine as an everage joe to find what distro to install, popOS comes up a lot on those shit listicles sites.
Yea I call it bad research. And Linus knows better!! He should take this more seriously than he did now. I don’t like this video.
Maybe modern search engines are part of the problem here. A local computer geek can probably offer better advice (better “tech tips” if you will).
I think the real point is that Pop!_OS (and most Ubuntu based distros) shouldn’t be recommended for gaming.
Pretending to be the average Joe to see what issues may occur certainly does has it’s place - before an expert informs them of what they aught to do. That’s not to say people creating software cannot do better to appeal to the average user’s needs but it’s falls on experts to teach them to do tech right.
I know one day LTT will make a “omg why didn’t we try Bazzite sooner” but I wish that day was today.
Heck, even My Life in Gaming, a channel specifically about console gaming, did a PC gaming episode recently with Bazzite.