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  • Seconding and thirding the use of an immutable OS. I specifically like Bazzite Gnome. People know it for gaming, but many don’t know it has a fantastic desktop mode, suitable for children, mums and grandmas.

    Almost all the software a casual user needs is available from their Flatpak App Store, and it’s pretty as hell (looks very Apple-like and shiny). I have been using it for about a year and I am still impressed how fluid, polished and solid everything feels.




  • I got burned by something like this on Manjaro when a rolling update completely borked my graphics card. The devs reacted in a similar way and it made me realise that my priority is stability over bleeding edge and tinkering.

    On that day I moved to Fedora. Stable as hell, no fuss. My main OS should just work and not kill itself.

    I still love it but jumped over to Bazzite Gnome recently, which is like Fedora with a few bells on top, coupled with having a read-only root-filesystem (stability, man!). It also comes with distrobox, which will let you run arch natively in a container if you need the AUR.




  • Bazzite is stuffed full of polish, especially the Gnome variant and, little known to me at the time, they have a whole set of non-gaming-related tools in the background for developers who use containers (distrobox, podman etc), which is exactly what I use for my job.

    I was so impressed that I have installed it as my main OS on my laptop and have replaced SteamOS with it on my SteamDeck.

    This distro is one of the best I have used. It is definitely one to keep an eye on.



  • I hate to be that guy

    That’s okay. Don’t be.

    but OP gave no indication of their gender.

    This is unnecessary white-knight pseudo-concern-trolling designed to derail from the topic at hand. This isn’t a conversation about gender. If I misgendered dontblink, I’ll send 5$ as an apology. You don’t, however, get to choose the language I use, as I equally don’t get to choose yours. Now, back to the Linux discussion:

    Could you explain what exactly this “tight integration” pertains? AFAIK these are just regular old global-state distros but with read-only snapshotting for said global state (RPM-ostree, “immutable”).

    Certainly. That’s essentially absolutely correct. In the case of Bazzite specifically:

    • Distrobox comes pre-installed, enabling application installation inside sandboxed Podman containers with restricted access to /dev. Unlike Toolbox, Distrobox can be configured with different and fully isolated home folders, meaning containers won’t have access to your GPG/SSH keys or other user files unless explicitly configured.
    • ujust is pre-installed (docs), providing helper scripts for various tasks, including easy virtualization setup for virt-manager/qemu/kvm for running completely isolated operating systems.
    • BoxBuddy is pre-installed, a GUI for easy management of distrobox containers, also allowing you to alias/sync .desktop files from sandboxes to your main home folder, allowing you to start sandboxed GUI apps from your normal GNOME/KDE menu.
    • Waydroid integration can be added via ujust, allowing launching of sandboxed, isolated Android apps directly from the desktop environment.

    That is their one and only stated goal: Run games.

    That’s incorrect. While gaming is their primary focus—especially with the “big-screen” edition that boots directly into Steam—Bazzite also offers fully functional, polished desktop environments with thoughtful defaults. For example, even if only an insignificant tweak, GNOME on Bazzite has minimize/maximize buttons enabled by default (unlike Fedora Silverblue). It also supports developer workflows and even isolated, containerized systemd services. (docs). They offer Bazzite editions which boot directly to the desktop environment as default, leaving Steam as only a normal Flatpak application.

    Could you point out the specific concrete things Bazzite does to improve separation between applications beyond the sandboxing tools that are available to any distribution?

    None, beyond having them pre-installed out of the box. But it’s important to distinguish that dontblink asked for a solution, not the solution. I suggested Bazzite GNOME because it provides a nearly complete setup without needing to manually mess with rpm-ostree first. Everything it can do can also be done on other similar immutable systems with a little extra work.


  • He specifically mentions containerization, Flatpaks, Docker and Toolboxes, which these suggested Fedora Spins are designed to integrate with as tightly as possible, so completely relevant.

    Also, Bazzite is completely the opposite of an OS designed to run one app at once, which means you haven’t tried it before rubbishing it as a suggestion.

    p.s. Don’t take this the wrong way but the phrasing in your comments here make them sound quite aggressive and could lead them to be interpreted in the wrong way. Would you speak to someone like that on the street?