Hey all. I’ve recently swapped to Linux and I’ve been really enjoying it so far. I’m still pretty new to basically every aspect of it, though, so I’m not super sure what things I should be wary of with regard to hardware, in particular with Mint.
I was looking at buying a newer laptop to keep up with my main game, but it occurred to me that newer hardware may come with either a host of issues or be less supported than older hardware.
Any advice for laptops in this regard?
See if anyone has reviewed how the model of interest performs under Linux or check if there’s a report for it on linux-hardware.org
Around 2020, I had purchased a new laptop and desktop. It took about two years until everything worked on the laptop under Arch, main issue being the microphone and speakers. About another year and a half until the same on Debian. On the desktop, the wireless card didn’t work with Linux on day one and still doesn’t work that well on Linux to this day. Swapped that thing out with an Intel wireless card.
Maybe you can make a live CD, buy it, test it, keep it or give it back?
Make sure the ram is upgradable. A lot of them are soldered on these days and you’re stuck with that amount forever.
Latest Lenovo T series come with LPCAMM2 which should replace that soldered nightmare.
https://www.ifixit.com/News/115827/new-thinkpads-score-perfect-10-repairability
https://www.ifixit.com/News/95078/lpcamm2-memory-is-finally-here
You can save buckets of money looking for used hardware. I got a crazy nice laptop from Craigslist for <$300.
If you can, bring a live USB stick with you and test it out before you purchase. Check peripherals like wifi, audio, camera, bluetooth, etc.
Amazon renewed I find dell Inspiron or xps work well. Used to be Lenovo think pads but not so sure about the newer ones.
If you want a compatible laptop, you get one that has a version that comes with Linux, without major kernel changes. For example, the DELL laptops. The DELL laptops get hate, but they are tested against Linux. I personally got the 5640: https://files.mastodon.social/media_attachments/files/115/129/776/310/532/073/original/ffe65da00bfd0b39.jpg It now runs Mint and Debian-Testing.
I paid just $900 euros with 32GB of RAM, and my husband got the same with 64GB of RAM for $1000 here in Greece. Everything works 100%, except touchpad’s palm rejection (I made a bug report about it).
you don’t have to use or like Ubuntu, but they do have a certified hardware list that might be helpful
Oh wow, that’s actually super helpful! Thanks!
I have a framework 13 running fedora and I absolutely love it. Upfront costs are expensive though - long term cost might be more reasonable (or even less) if I upgrade it for years/decades. Bit early to tell. But I do love it. Best laptop I’ve ever had (and I’ve had them all - even a thinkpad)
Wow, really? I was just looking at these and they are super interesting. You’re not wrong about that up front cost, though, yikes. What is it that makes them so seemingly modular? Is it proprietary stuff? Or is it just the focus of how it’s constructed? I’d be super leery about getting locked into ‘their ecosystem’ if they suddenly went under or something.
So I can actually comment on both the 13 and the 16 as I helped my family member build a 16. The 13 is my preference for a daily driver for school or for what I use it for - at work. The 16 is best “docked as a desktop, but I can take my powerhouse on the go”. The 16 is a bit bulky to carry around or use on a plane imo.
The 13 The chassis is great. Well built, sturdy, super easy to take apart with a single supplied screwdriver, captive bolts, no glue, etc. Really just a dream to work on. Swappable ports are awesome and they work great. Screen and trackpad are nice, not as nice as a MacBook, better than almost all others. Trackpad bracket is a little flimsy, but it’s replaceable. I’ve had zero other issues. As far as getting locked into their ecosystem. I’m not really worried about about that. Yes if they stop making main boards to fit the chassis, then the laptop gets stale, but the it’s a regular laptop…. All the components are standard thingies you can buy anywhere, ram, ssd, WiFi cards, etc. Battery is OK, I wish it lasted a bit longer. Like everything in the laptop, that’s easily replaceable too. I would say it’s about as future proof as you can get in a laptop.
The 16 The chassis is also great except for the little blank plates on the sides of the trackpad. They work fine, but from a fit and finish standpoint they are lacking. The 16 is otherwise a beautiful machine. Now the gpu- that I believe is subject to “being locked into the framework ecosystem”. Nobody will make a gpu in that form factor except framework. They did just release a 2nd card with a newer gpu in it. Hopefully that continues-so far so good. I both want a 16 and don’t. It’s kind of big. Just depends on what your use case is.
Both beautiful machines that are fantastic to use, and both are “laptops that are like desktops”. There’s other options probably, but I can only compare to thinkpads, Macs, hps, dells, surfaces, asus, and other random windows machines. Never seen a system76. Framework is my favorite, thinkpad is second.
I did check out System76 and even if the price is a bit high, it would be kind of nice to support a company in the EU. That alone has a bit of appeal. I haven’t seen Framework before, though. I’ll look them up, thanks for the tip!
For an EU based company you might want to check out Tuxedo https://www.tuxedocomputers.com/index.php they are based in Germany and sell Linux compatible notebooks
Oh shoot, I’m an idiot. Tuxedo is what I was looking at. 😅 Thank you for the link!
A used ThinkPad?
Definitely look for a 2nd hand one, you’ll have less issues.
Don’t go toooo old as some had wifi issues back in the day (no / partial drivers)
There’s a lot of refurbs by major brands (ie Dell) that are ex-corp lease models with some kind of warranty (which won’t cover the battery) because of the Win10 purge.
I think the GPU is the main issue if you’re wanting to play games… and as others have said, gimmicks like touchscreens and fingerprint readers can be hit & miss.
I’ve installed Mint on Lenovo, Dell and HP laptops with no major issues.
I’m a pretty big fan of Lenovo so far. My experience with their hardware has been pretty much complaint-free. It’s what I’m using right now with Mint, as well. GPU is definitely part of my current issue, the other is RAM, and the last is SSD space.
GPU is just getting old, I certainly don’t have the RAM I need, and I sprung for the 500gb model because at the time this was primarily a game dev machine that only ever played Kerbal Space Program, haha.
I’m using a 10 years old Razer Blade Stealth 13 on Debian and so far no only minor problems with it.
Consequently my advice is :
- do you actually “need” a new one or do you just “want” one? if the later then could be 2nd hand
- if you do then share either what your “main game” is or what its requirements are, because e.g Slay the Spire runs on nearly anything
- do not buy something brand new unless you are ready to tinker, consider something a year old
- whatever you do, check online review specifically on Linux installations, that will let you know if something somehow (typically inconsequential, e.g. LED tweaking) requires proprietary software
- consider buying directly from a Linux pre-installed vendor, this way you are 100% sure it will work (but it’s typically not cheap)
My go-to is FFXIV, but I run it with a pretty large number of mods, which is what is hard to keep up with on my current laptop. Between that and just not being able to play any modern game, (in particular, I wanted to be able to play the new Silent Hill F), it’s definitely more of a want, but it’s a pretty strong want. 😅
My current laptop is about 6 years old, and it’s getting to the point where my frame rate during raids is dipping below 60 frames quite frequently, even with the minimum settings, which is what got me looking at upgrading.
I’ll look at Linux pre-installed vendors, though, I hadn’t thought about that. And the year old tech is a super good tip also, thanks!
try cachyos for a performance boost, it did wonders on my desktop
What is this game? And depending on your needs the T480 should be more than good enough
My go-to is FFXIV, but I run it fairly heavily modded as do most of the group I play with, so I don’t have a super firm set of minimum specs since it fluctuates pretty heavily.
Besides that, every now and then, a modern game comes out that I’d like to play on Steam, like Silent Hill F, which is just completely beyond my laptop at this point.
Ok yeah that does give me a good idea but what general price range are you thinking about? Also does it have to be a laptop? I can find a desktop that can play basically anything for a good price.
Let me clearify why I’m reccomending you get a desktop, silent hill f is extremely demanding. I mean the reccomend GPU is a 2080Ti or a 6800XT. Especially right now that’s gonna be expensive but I can guarantee if you want that on a laptop prepare to pay several grand, on a desktop however I can find options at or below a grand (keep in mind used because PC prices are insane rn).
Yeah, unfortunately I’m stuck with laptops for now. I’ve had to move at a minimum once a year for the last six years or so, so I basically don’t keep anything I can’t put into a pair of hiking bags to lug around with me.
Without getting into specifics, I am ideally taking a temporary job that will give me a fair amount of disposable income, but I’m committed for a year with an option to do a second year.
It’s kind of a rare opportunity for me and I’m not even certain I’ll get it, but if I do, then the price of an upgrade doesn’t really matter to me much, within reason. It’s essentially going to be my only valuable item for the foreseeable future, for work, play, hobbies, all of it, so I don’t mind putting extra money into this to make sure it works well and lives a good, long time. I mean, I’m not gonna throw 4 grand at a laptop, but some of these other pricey ones at like System76 and Framework aren’t off the table for me at this point.
Yeah no I understand so here are a few suggestions, their prices, advantages, and disadvantages:
Framework 16: This is the most powerful laptop they offer and has the option for an all AMD build (great for Linux). Specifically you can get this with a 7700S and a 350, that should be enough for any workflow or even decent gaming (keep in mind its below recommended so you may need to reduce some settings or play at a lower resolution). The way pricing is going these days and depending on how you configure it you can spend anywhere from $2,000 to $3,000.
Disadvantages: Its not a Linux machine so you wont receive any additional support, its very upgradable means its build quality can at times feel inconsistent, and lastly keep in mind this system doesnt get upgrades very often and new parts are inconsistent. The AMD GPU they offer is still the original one (they did a Nvidia option but Nvidia is a headache) and they have a new CPU option but its still not as consistent as their 13 model.
Distro: I personally recommend pairing this with Fedora KDE edition
Gazelle (System76): This laptop well exceeds the minimum specs for silent hill f, the best part is it comes preinstalled with pop_os which is maintained by system76 themselves so you are practically guaranteed a premium experience. It comes with a 5050 which normally would be a pain to set up but they set it up for you. Great software support all around and cosmic is an amazing desktop. It costs around 2k can be more if you want more ram/storage but the default is fine. Overall the build quality seems good and its not particularly large or thick. It also runs on their own open firmware (coreboot based) which gives it some incredible boot speeds.
Disadvantages: Still uses a barrel jack for charging, GPU is not as powerful as the Framework 16, has Nvidia quarks, and is not as repairable or customizable as framework.
TUXEDO Stellaris 16 AMD: Great option if you live in Europe but im not very familiar with it
I don’t know if this is a Mint limitation or my lack of experience with Linux, but I couldn’t get Mint to switch between the integrated graphics and dedicated GPU without manually selecting what I want and restarting. However, I switched to PopOS and everything works fine. This is on an older MSI laptop.
Lenovo ThinkPads work very nicely with Linux, and there’s a large second-hand market. The T and X series are especially great I find.
The usual advice about avoiding soldered RAM holds in general, but right now used laptops are being bought just for stripping RAM. So I think putting up with soldered RAM in second hand devices (I’d go for at least 32G) can be a smart move because it may be a better deal (and often a smaller form factor).
Yeah, tell me about it on the price. I’m tempted to just bite the bullet on low framerates to see if prices come down, but this upgrade is already close to a year out anyway, so who knows. Maybe it goes up? Maybe society collapses, haha.
I’ve never ended up upgrading RAM in a laptop, though. Is soldered versus not soldered really that huge of a deal? I mean, outside of what you mentioned here regarding the price.
Soldered RAM is just about impossible to upgrade/replace, you have to desolder it and do a bunch of other tasks. I have only ever seen one person do it on a modern laptop and it looked horrendous: https://gregdavill.com/posts/dell-xps13-ram-upgrade/
I would just completely abandon any plans to upgrade a soldered RAM laptop unless you are extremely skilled.
Unsoldered RAM is just push fit sockets that have a release clip you need to pull if the socket is already populated. The RAM can only go in one way, its super super easy. Just make sure you double check the spec of RAM you buying against the laptop specs to make sure you buy the right sort.
Why isn’t this higher?
I used to be a huge shill for Linux-first vendors. But after having a ThinkPad of my own, I’ve been converted. Best Linux experience by far.
